Don't be fooled by the nice clean "harpoon" decal on the side of a boat. Both are fine fishing boats. Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features! However all of these offshore boats are well prepared to go offshore which is the key ingredient in surviving a disaster. - Stock #Boston Whaler Dauntless 18.5 ft powered with a 150 HP Yamaha 4 stroke engine ready for the water! [IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/JRWJR/103765_p_t_640x480_image01.jpg[/IMG]. Because of popularity by families and boaters less interested in fishing, many companies have long configured the interior of boats to be "bow riders" but maintain the hull design used in other center console, self bailing, etc. Buy a brand XYZ Skiff 15,000,,,,buy the new Montauk for 18,000, keep them both 6 years with same use and maintenance, X will sell for ??? My gripe is that the company didn't back up the product. We never would have considered doing that in a Starcraft, or a Glastron, or anything else. Explore by Activity Explore by Model Request a Catalog Help Me Choose Boat Ownership Costs Purchase Online (U.S. & Canada) FIND A DEALER. So back to the repair shop and a call for a new wood interior at my expense. BW stands behind their boats check this url out and you will understand http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000174.html. JB's comment inciting BW's to be the best boats made is tremendously biased, as there is no right answer to who makes the best boat. This might imply that it wasn't designed for use on those waters where that thpe of gear may be required. I own a BW Rage 18 which is a bowrider. Where will you do your boating? the Whaler will sell for ???. Up to 8 passengers. So, what actual evidence do we have that a well designed cc or dual console boat etc is actually safer than the plywood and carpet bowrider? The problem is people never believe their boat will have a hole, a crack, a fire, get de-masted, roll over, lose a propeller shaft and multiple other issues at sea until they lived through the problem. That's why I bought a 1983 Montauk. They probably can't tell you how they know what they know, they just know it.We have tons of guys around here that still run wooden deadrise workboats. A generic bowrider is likely to have lots of issues after 10 years of use that a 10 year old Whaler isn’t going to have: - wiring – quality of wiring is important because after years of water exposure, you still need critical components to work to help you navigate, run your gear and get home.- strength of construction – spend a few years on the ocean (or perhaps worse, on the Great Lakes) and the repetitive pounding action is going to rattle something lose or break it. Boston Whaler boats come with a 10 year limited warranty with a 3 … Tradition and Reputation have their roots some where along the way, in the past and in the present. The problem I have is many people believe a Whaler is all you need to survive a disaster. In any case, with a BW you know what you have, and with the "generica" bow rider you also know what you have. I hope to be around to see Boston Whaler go another 40 years. You know, I don't think I am wrong. Boat must be picked up in Cranston RI. There's a reason for that. It is worn out and many people fail to understand exactly what that means to them. Building recreational powerboats since 1958, the Boston Whaler product line-up consists of watercrafts ideal for fishing or pleasure cruises. Used Boston Whaler Boats for Sale Alert me of new listings matching this search. I can tell you right now that some of the best fishermen I have ever known could catch 'em no matter how crappy the gear they were using was, and the same goes for boats. I own and have owned several Classic Whalers, but that does not make me a better boater/skipper. Am I wrong? You didn't mention the Edgewater boats. I'm glad I bought a Whaler! If you inspect a BWM you will notice that the gunwales are solid since the foam has expanded and cured even there. Even if a BWM hull was to become swamped it would drain off while underway. But would I spend the money for a new BW? I agree with Buckda. Senior Member . profile | register | author help. That is the reason I purchased my first 13', sold it for more than I paid, and am anxiously looking for my next small Whaler. With that said, it's instantly recognizable as top-quality, has stood the test of time, will always do it's job, and take a huge amount of abuse, and at resale time you're going to be able to sell it the same day for not much less than you paid for it (and if you wait long enough and have taken good care of it, sometimes for more), and not need to do much convincing to make the sale. Knowledge of the boats in general. Boat/Yacht Evaluations, Valuation, Resale, Market Value - Yachts/Boats Pricing Research Tool. 2015 Boston Whaler 150 Super Sport. The best boats will help even the most inexperienced skipper to survive his encounter with the ocean. Would you do that in a small bow rider? The BW is the great intracoastal cruiser, while the Mako is the superior fishing machine. Location: Lake Hartwell SC. Search. If your asking Montauk 190 vs Outrage 190 beats me. You can f*** up pretty bad in a whaler and still have a great chance of getting home to laugh about it. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-are-boston-whalers-such-popular-boats This is an important feature of the classic hulls that is often overlooked when discussing the differences between new and old Whalers. Is that enough of a difference to make me buy a Whaler over the others? This is the smallest version of the Montauk. Finally, just like an athlete, practice makes perfect – a guy who boats 50 hours a year isn’t going to be as sharp in tough stuff as the same guy who has logged 300 hours a year; all else being equal. If you ask me, then Yes the Boston Whaler Montauk is worth the extra moneyin safety, in quality, in tradition. I would say the Outrage should have the advantage but upon what basis would I say that? How does being a great skipper prevent green water from filling the bow. Florida. They probably are the second best made, not a coincidence that they are Dougherty designs. In the middle there is the entire spectrum. We can help you determine the market value of your boat. Optional Whaler Watch technology provides remote connectivity by monitoring systems and vessel position via satellite, ensuring 24/7 security even while away. I took my boat into the local BW dealer, Precision Marine, in New Rochelle, NY and they did the retrofit. Disclaimer...I am a professional crazed lunatic, do not try and imitate my insanse boat driving tendencies while on the water. This gives you plenty of options to suit your lifestyle and the intentions of use. A whaler can always float so in theory you don’t need a life raft and should always survive. The simply do not have the factory rigging to compete with similarly priced boats. Used BOSTON WHALER Values/Value, Used BOSTON WHALER Prices/Price. Some boats are just not made for rough water environments but a good opertor of a particular boat can make all the difference in the world. Question of the day: If a bedliner lines the bottom of a truck bed, what does a bayliner do? Certain boats exude confidence (in the first six months I owned my Montauk it went to certain places I would NEVER have taken my previous rig). Operator makes a difference. But I knew whalers already, I had grown up in them, and I knew that paying the kind of money I paid was worth it if the boat was in good shape. I was not seeking a fuss, just some thoughts on what really makes the difference between boats when it comes to handling the inevitable bad conditions. The value difference is in quality of design and materials, fit, finish and details. The price purchase price was not renegotiated(to compensate for damages) but the dealer supplied a bimini top and mooring cover at their cost. The classic Boston Whaler Montauk remains one of the most popular center console boats out there, thanks to practical design, rugged utility and easy “hose-and-go” cleanup. If I were a trailor boater again I would opt for something lighter, but for my use there is nothing better except a disposable throwaway. From a customer satisfaction and loyalty perspective I feel Whaler handled this problem well. Key West, Mako, Scout, Pursuit all have such designs as well. Building recreational powerboats since 1958, the Boston Whaler product line-up consists of watercrafts ideal for fishing or pleasure cruises. I have lived through or been next to a boat that has done all of the above. But a lot of people have a very limited amount to spend, they have families to consider in their boating plans, etc, and that pushes them, incorrectly, I believe, into buying the biggest and most comfortable boat they can for the money. Long story short...To address you initial post, the vessel's condition in conjunction with the operator's knowledge and training will determine "unsafe". BUT the boat had never been in the water up until I got it. We're surprised at the Century's $73,836 price when rigged with a single 250-hp Yamaha HPDI two-stroke outboard. Boston Whaler recently introduced the newest evolution of one of its most iconic models: the 17-foot Montauk, arguably the first center-console skiff ever produced. In the 16-23 ft range they get slaughtered down here by salt water giants such as Grady, Mako, Regulator, Contender, etc. Taking an inshore boat more than a few miles off the beach "makes no sense". Many people prefer a low freeboard and the Montauk and classic Outrages have this, for the type of fishing or crabbing they might be doing. My years of on-water experience, training and familiarization with each vessel make me a safer boat handler and I learn from each trip on each vessel. Join millions of people using Oodle to find unique used boats for sale, fishing boat listings, jetski classifieds, motor boats, power boats, and sailboats. The best built boats stand up to this type of abuse much better than the lower quality ones.- Gelcoat quality/thickness – the strength of the hull also has to do with strength of the fiberglass and gelcoat used – quality gelcoat will last much longer and keep a shine (or be restorable). There is not much room for this gear, and it isn't usually an option from the manufacturer. I am a "Skipper" of many different vessels, skiffs and boats. The new Montauk 190 is offered at the original price of the Nantucket 190 with the 115 Merc and appears to be about equally undepowered with that 115 horse engine selection. The value difference survives in boats 10, 20, even 30 years old because of the same quality of design and materials, fit, finish and details. Most folks who buy these 13s have the resources to spend alot more. View Single Post 08-11-2004, 06:08 PM #9 Captain Billy. What is the cost per hour or the cost per trip? Reliable with cutting edge features to make your experience second to none. I don’t think that there are that many and if they are around they are dirt cheap. If you want to judge the seaworthiness of a boat look for boats that go offshore in bad weather every week. If you want to compare modified Vees, you should compare the Dauntless, Outrage lines. $17,750 . Like Bigshot, I was in a friend's 13 while we were "playing" with the waves in an inlet and one of those 6 footers caught us and we pearled; sure, we lost all the fishing gear but all we did was lean into it and flip it right side up, we were back on the beach and had it running again before the CG made it the two miles (called by the astonished fishermen who could not believe our craziness!). Holgers Auto Mart at 7419 S Western Ave was recently discovered under Chicago Boston Whaler . Of course, this is only an opinion but it is shared by many, including many owners of other boats that lust for a Montauk. What real proof is there that these bow riders and generic speed boats are really unsafe compared to a good center console/cuddy offhore boat like a Boston Whaler, Edge Water etc. I still don't have the boat back and it was purchased in the winter of 2001. the wood recently arrived but it took over four months to arrive. When that little 12 dollar bilge pump in it quits I hope your a good swimmer. As far as I can tell the company did back up the product within reason. EdgeWater, the old Mako 17, the old SeaCraft Classic 20 come to mind as boats that have good sea keeping capabilities---you don't agree. No, they are not all foam lined but they do have decks that clear of water quickly, they use outboard engines that will not so easily flood and drown, they have self bailing cockpits and freeboard to capacity ratio designed not to retain anymore water than can be supported byy native bouyancy--or at least they are attempts to do such. There are absolutely no returns on this boat. 4 - 8 hours Captained. It only has 60 hours on the engine so you will have the peace of mind that comes with a Mercury in great condition. Its turns out that BW is doing a free "courtesy" retrofit to the new style fuel venting on the '99 Dauntless. A situation where there is lasting huge breaking waves without a forecast for them is either a very, very unusual event - or it happens on a trans oceanic journey that is beyond the capabilities (fuel range) of a small craft such as a Boston Whaler. If you want to believe that pictured boat belongs 12 miles out in the Gulf go ahead is all I can tell you. That makes this the second most expensive boat in the running. Search Insurance provided by Boat Rentals. I have also owned one or more of the boats available from the above builders as well as a "bow rider" built by Regal. I just don't see a real difference in these two. 1968 Boston Whaler 17 Montauk. I do not understand why Whaler keeps stepping on their own feet. I am sorry to tell you that you are responsible for maintaining your wood interior. when it comes to boats under 20 feet, I think it is safe to assume that I will always be a whaler guy, and a classic whaler guy at that. In general, people envisage sunny days and flat water when buying a boat. This number includes all the fishing and cruising must-haves, except for the galley, which adds $786 for a total cost of $74,622. If you're more persuaded by creature comforts - like better protection at the helm, more seating and so on - then you could consider a different style of boat. How many lives have been saved because the survivors were on a BW? No, not by itself. You will find out that this will be true for all makes of boats that use wood. Go … H&D I could easily take that boat out 20 miles offshore....I would however chose not to do so in that or a Montauk 170 if it was not a sheet of glass. This will determine the overall cost in this venture and needs to be reconciled with your monthly income. From what I've seen, only Edgewater and Scout compete with Whaler in this critical area. These all vary in construction, length, design and power. Sounds like you’re talking more about construction than about seaworthiness. IMO, if a small craft warning is flying on NW waters, Boston Whalers < 20 ft are not exempt. They are usually used for traditional, time-honored on-the-water activities such as day cruising, saltwater fishing, freshwater fishing, overnight cruising and watersports. Yeah, it is a little more upscale, a few more features, a taller console, a bit more freeboard, no stupid baby rails on the gunwales and a touch more power if optioned so. Its a big job (11 hours or so) since it entails pulling out the tank, cutting a vent hole in the port side hull midship, changing the filler neck and the gas tank hoses, etc. Lake Worth. Last year I purchased my first BW a 1998 40th Anniversary model 13 footer. Jimm have you compared all the factors between these hulls besides the price tag? Aurora, IL 60505 (630) 897-5000 Choose wisely! )- fit and finish – believe it or not, finished hatch undersides, etc all help to keep the operator and occupants safe from cuts etc when onboard. I also spent a few years in a buddies 25 foor glacier bay cat - not a boat I really liked but you could go out in almost any sea state with no pounding (fishing on the drift or anchoring is another story). Making everyone have a comfortable versus safe experience is another question. Another classic? This is something that almost all classic whaler owners maintain, in striping and varnishing or oiling most on an annual basis. Many people cannot afford a brand new whaler. There is no reasoning with them since they don’t fear the weather or the water. Opinions Please . A boat can be unseaworthy if it doesn't have adequate safety gear aboard. Just so you know, your slamming Mr. Keene who is the best Whaler guy and perhaps the best fiberglass guy in Newport. It was dropped upon be unloaded and had a 10 inch hole in the starboard side along the transom. search | FAQ | Some people have made significant modifications that greatly improve the seaworthiness of a vessel; and conversely, others have made mods that significantly decrease the seaworthiness of a vessel. Does McKee or Cape Horn give you a swamped rating? This is the real issue since most people who own pleasure boats don’t take safety classes or think they will ever face a disaster on the water. Is a Boston Whaler worth it? I know this is true for the McKee not sure about Cape Horn. Knowledge of sea piloting . And I can not see how the dealer would be responsible for a battery, that should have been taken up with the Preacher. "How does being a great and skilled skipper get the water out of a boat (with no self bailing capability) from rain and breakig waves. Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features! As for the wood interior, it is cosmetic and has nothing to do with the safety of the boat. Then take a look at the helm of a generic bowrider. FIND A DEALER. It takes me 30 about seconds to decide if a Montauk is a good example or not... they self-sell at resale time. At the end of the day, it is all about the money and how much of it you got in your pocket. At Bass Pro Shops they sell their house brand MAKO 17-footer with a 90-HP Merc 2-stroke and trailer for $17,995. Don't miss what's happening in your neighborhood. If they can't see it you just won't ever win. This is not done with the other two manufactures you have mentioned. It will also stand up better to abuse such as beaching, striking objects in the water, etc…even to the stresses of hard impacts with the face of oncoming seas.- dewatering capacity – either high-speed pumps in good working order or big, wide scuppers provide adequate dewatering capacity for a vessel and operator that accidentally comes upon difficult conditions. I have been on vessels in very dangerous sea conditons that were made safe by the "Skipper", regardless of boat construction/design. When trying to recover something from a hatch with a pitching boat, this is important! ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area. For those people, buying a used boat is a great option. -----------------------------------------------------Those are well placed thoughts but the skipper of a 220 foot long vessel would proably not choose a chop glass 17 foot bow rider to go out to the canyon in. This required 3 months to fix and was done at no charge. Wrong! In 1989, amidst financial problems, the CML Group sold Boston Whaler to the Reebok Corporation, where, despite several advertising campaigns and new hull designs, it did relatively poorly, and was sold to Meridian Sports in 1994. I have punished it and it has punished me (the low sides helped it and the breakers to toss me out last Thanksgiving while bass fishing in a local inlet). In fact, it’s not really politically correct because it infers that there are vast differences in skills and abilities between boat skippers. Many people cannot afford a brand new whaler. Bear: acassidy: posted 05-24-2002 09:55 PM ET (US) You really get what you pay for when getting a Whaler. Even buying the aftermarket non skid molds is tricky business to make perfect a factory match. It measures 15 feet and 5 … There really is not a premium to be paid for having a Whaler. (kind of unique) For the most part other boat companies are not as up front about this. If you ask me, then Yes the Boston Whaler Montauk is worth the extra money in safety, in quality, in tradition. Preparing to deploy a life raft in a storm since your boat is sinking slowly is never a good experience. Boston Whaler is a classic boat brand in the marine industry, manufacturing boats that vary in size from 13 feet to 42 feet. From what I have seen and battle tested down here, I think Whaler makes a superb 11-15 ft and 23-27 ft boat. I don't think so. This is what gives the BW hulls their strength and solid feeling. For entertaining friends and family, discovering far-flung islands, chasing deep-sea fish, or spending long days at a... $825,000 (Which admittedly is only a “feature” in quite dire circumstances! If you are serious about your offshore fishing and do it a lot, then yes. The wiring is well done on my D16, and since the new Montauk is sharing the same console as the Dauntless 16 I will guess that the battery is located in it and the wiring is on par as with the D16. After three months the entire wood interior was cracked. This is my 03 and nothing more, but I think I am enjoying a great boat cheaper than I could a medicore one and I like the looks I get at the dock.Jim Armstrong. I equate a BW to a Rolex watch: It might not be the best, it might not be the most expensive, and it might be considered overpriced by some. This may be the wrong way to consider the cost, but I have a 18 year old Whaler (15) that is worth probably 80 o/o of the price it originally sold for. United States. 5.0 (1) Spacious Dual Console. The chainsaw and cutting in hald argument just does not cut it (pun) anymore. I think so. Some of us went different ways back then; personally, I am the only one in my circle of friends who still has one of the same rigs from over twenty years ago.